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your host Ryan Sprague this week I

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of mine Andrew Sandford Andrew is a

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in the ABC discovers showcase now you

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can hear him every week on a successful

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comedy podcast half-white son of a black

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man today we sit down to discuss one of

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my favorite UFO cases turned movies fire

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in the sky what did Andrew think of this

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adaptation of the

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highly controversial case of Travis

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Walton tune in right now to find out

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Ryan what's up buddy I'm glad to finally

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talk about fire in the sky a movie that

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I saw that you saw that's the cool put

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on the murky it was I gotta get it so

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Ryan that you brought this movie to me

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what is your experience with this movie

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why is this movie so near and dear to

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your heart all right so I'm a lot closer

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to this movie than I think some people

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might think besides it just being about

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alien abduction I am personal friends

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with the person that this movie is based

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on Travis Walton which we will get into

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being a ufologist this is one of the

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seminal cases in alien abduction lore

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that we turn to for credibility again we

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will get to that but yeah this this

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movie when it first came out 93 I

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believe I was terrified of this thing

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absolutely terrified I remember I was on

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to be on HBO or Showtime or something

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and we tuned in right at like the the

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very peak climax of the film which we'll

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daylights out of me so that's why when

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we were trying to decide on a movie I'm

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like what what horror films do I know

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that involve aliens and there's a lot of

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them out there but this one really stuck

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weird nebulous area so I'm so happy that

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you decided to to cover it and I lent

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after I had you on my show tis to say

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look look at this case of alien

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abduction it tell me you don't believe

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it so I will say it the idea as you said

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Travis Walton I believe on an episode

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III where I am often taken to task in

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some of the YouTube comments

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which I'm sorry oh my god no not to you

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like me but I I am a skeptic when it

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comes to a lot of these things as I've

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said before as you should be and the

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story of Travis Walton I found very

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intriguing when you presented it to me I

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will say that I think that this movie

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Terry kind of turns away from what's

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intriguing about the story for some

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really weird things that I will need

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some clarification on I am I'm very

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excited to have seamless regardless it

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definitely wasn't I in an episode

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that'll come out right before this one

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I'll go over some of the movies that I

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had the least fun watching and I would

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list there was plenty of fun stuff in

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this movie and there's some very solid

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moments and some of that is just

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yeah but I'm thank you I would say thank

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you to you for picking this one out it's

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always nice when I get a shock tober

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movie that I haven't seen before right I

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think that definitely helped yeah so

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yeah yeah I guess where should we start

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let's start at the beginning I do love

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that I love the setup at the beginning

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which is where you have like a little

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it's a far and like a log a logging town

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in Arizona and I think my first note is

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actually Arizona who's not scared by

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Arizona but you have this bar in a

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logging town and then this group of

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gentlemen come in they look like they've

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just seen a ghost and they all sit at a

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table and essentially say like well like

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we're talking about something mysterious

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something about all telling the same

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story we don't quite what happened yeah

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and then they call on the cops and then

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we find out that they're they they have

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a friend who went missing and they burn

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they believe aliens did it

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that's that's where we start well one

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that well Al I'm all why don't let me

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just say I'm always happy the cast for

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this was a lot of fun I love the change

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Garner's in this movie mm-hmm and I love

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the game James Garner's in this movie so

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much it was just this like really cool

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no-nonsense

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see EA agent I couldn't tell what he

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said he worked for yeah I'm not quite

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clear on that either

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I mean his character was kind of made up

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for the film whereas again we we should

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stress that this movie in the beginning

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says it's based on a true story which we

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will debate I'm sure a lot tonight

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or but that being said Jameis Garner's

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character was based on the actual

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sheriff of the town of snowflake Arizona

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where this happened he's an amalgamation

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of all the law enforcement that was

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involved in this this case which we will

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get to a possible murder case that's man

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Travis Walton so yeah yeah again I

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thought he did a wonderful job with the

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role yeah no he's great it was fun to

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see Peterburg in there yeah mr.

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is that the movie I would have expected

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to be about Travis Walton is really more

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about Robert Patrick's character Mike

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Mike Rogers yeah so I mean that's what's

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interesting so again this is based on a

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book but because our our main character

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right they show up in this cabin or this

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restaurant and they say you know we got

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to call the police tell him what

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so they claim these six loggers

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including Travis Walton they were out

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doing a tree thinning project in the

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woods and on their way home that night

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they see this what they assume is a fire

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out in the distance they drive up on

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this thing and it's an actual it's it's

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there it's a flying

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sir the fiddle the roads Travis gets out

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to look at this thing he's curious he

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wants to know what it is and shoots a

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beam down at him and knocks him off his

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feet they all think he's dead

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so they hightail it out of there which

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some friends day a lot of people are

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always like what why why did they just

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leave him there but you know terrified

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they had no idea what the hell yeah like

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it's it's you know humans suck but it

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doesn't like not make sense

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exactly yeah so yeah so so again they go

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back to look for him Mike does rod Robin

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logics character and Travis himself is

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nowhere to be found and he's missing for

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five days so again right there your main

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character of the film is missing for

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most of them gone so what do you want

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you to see it through Mike Silas and I

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wish if anything that led me to be a

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little bit disappointed when later on

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the focus of the movie shifts away from

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Mike because I kind of liked that that

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aspect of it because I was I was

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interested at first and just like oh

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what it like what would happen to

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somebody in that situation because I

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felt like they set it up within a

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reality at first where the aliens seemed

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very real like this this spaceship thing

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that we see in the movie I mean the

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movie is just full-on showing us a

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spaceship there's that car full of

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people of saying yeah which it which

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does kind of like present its own

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problems then it's then a lot of thing a

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lot of the things that come later in the

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movie were less shocking to me because I

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was like well no we already said that

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this is what happened we already know

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like it wasn't as but it was played it

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felt like it was played a lot for a

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reveal when I was just like no you guys

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showed we saw a spaceship like we know

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that then he got abducted by aliens

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right there's very little left up to the

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imagination which yeah I agree I think

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you know had we not seen that this scene

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which again as a kid I was terrified of

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seeing this man get of course some of

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that is still pretty scary the the

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spandex he gets put on his face or

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yeah well we'll get to that abduction

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scene for sure that is the most famous

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part oh sorry I'm sorry yours that you

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were saying the initial abduction buddy

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gets hit by the beam of light yeah first

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guess or sci-fi yeah

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oh no it's pretty it's pretty scary his

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body convulses in a way that's pretty

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terrifying as well

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mm the kind of fact like arms back and

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head back it's in that that whole part

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of it according to the actual Travis

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Walton is all real I mean this thing

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according to the witnesses shot him back

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like 20 feet into the air

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and just left him there completely

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knocked out they thought he was dead but

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again you're like you said there's very

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little mystery with this we're about

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yeah lay out that these men might be

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charged with the murder of their friend

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or their co-worker but again we saw the

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alien craft we saw this happen so I

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completely understand what you're saying

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with that but but what's unfortunate is

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it's because I that's a very fun setup

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for me like I love the idea of something

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supernatural or otherworldly being the

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cause for somebody to be in trouble like

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to put place blame on somebody and then

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that thing disappearing for the rest of

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the movie I would have almost rather

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never saw aliens again but I mean that's

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not the sell of the movie the snag is

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with the the the big twist with the

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Travis Walton story because you see

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these guys going around being paranoid

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like they're getting the entire town

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thinks that these guys killed their best

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friend like it starts to ruin this guy's

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life and then as he did in real life

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Travis comes back yeah five days later

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after you know the town is and the

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police are investigating them and

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finding out that you know this tree

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thinning project they were on that they

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were really behind schedule so they kind

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of made this whole thing up to get like

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an extension on their their contract but

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in reality they lose the contract

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because of what happened to their friend

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yeah yeah so I mean he's missing for

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five days the whole town thinks they

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murdered him it starts making

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international headlines journalists from

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all over the world are descending on

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this small town both because

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they think it's a murder case and and

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the other half think that this man was

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abducted by aliens so it was crazy man

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again this all actually is documented

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and happened and like you said the sort

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of the big twist is that five days after

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he shows back up and in that interim

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like we have a lot of drama as well yeah

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and I will say that before we stray too

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far away from it because I believe I'm

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going to I'm going to ask a question

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that I'm sure has been asked before but

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I do believe that anybody new to this

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film would it would really have to know

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as far as how it compares to the real

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life Travis Walton just to really nail

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the details down I would like to ask you

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does he ride his motorcycle on the

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sidewalk often that's the quotes the

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birding question and and and did he have

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a young female friend that worked in a

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bakery that knew well enough to bring

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him a bag of doughnuts hanging outside

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of the door like clockwork something

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they've done you know what that scene

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reminds me of so yeah so Travis is up on

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the sidewalk gets his Donuts waves to

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the girl who clearly adores him and why

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James Bond yes actually there's a lot of

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sort of Spielberg and Zemeckis

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nods in this film oh yeah if you really

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look for them they're there so you do

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have to wonder was this kind of their

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way of shoehorning that in there but

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yeah I mean Henry Thomas is in this

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friggin movie yes yeah he is this is his

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second appearance since October this

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year not only that it's his second

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appearance in an alien film to talk

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about with

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pigeonholing I guess that are known but

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to answer your question no I do not

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believe the actual Travis Walton rode

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his motorcycle on a sidewalk he's

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actually too badass to do something like

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that okay yeah I'll tell you more about

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that later this guy he's a hero of mine

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forever

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I believe sure sure but so we when he

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comes back he's he he clearly looks like

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he's suffered he's got like wounds I

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found both of his eyes he's got black

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eyes he's got some wounds on his nose I

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believe in maybe buddy's mouth and then

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I think they say something to the effect

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that he hasn't had food the doctors say

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he hasn't had food or water for five

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days all true all documented crazy so

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before we get to that the one thing I

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did want to point out Andrew if you

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don't mind is no please the the lie

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detector test aspect oh yes yes yes I'm

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sorry I thought that it was later no I

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because I I love those scenes too I

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thought those were really that was when

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the movie was really you know really

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singing and really hitting some stuff

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that I thought was um handled really

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well and was interesting yeah so I mean

382
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again they think that these men murdered

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this guy or they're covering something

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up like this whole alien abduction

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scenario is just impossible like why why

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why would they do this so right they do

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decide all of the loggers to be put

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under polygraph tests again you know no

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longer admissible in court but it's

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still a good way to at least see if

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they're all on the same page you know

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and back in 1975 when this happened like

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lie detectors were pretty big and you

394
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know new pioneering technology oh yeah

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maybe like 30 years old at that point

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right say something around there right

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right and sigh Gilson the dude who

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administered these tests I've spoken to

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him personally as well yeah so all of

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the men go under the polygraph and they

401
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are point-blank asked did you murder

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your friend all of them say no they're

403
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asked did you see a flying saucer they

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all say yes

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did the Flying Saucer zap your friend

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yes they all passed with flying colors

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every single one of them that they did

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not murder their friend clearly because

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he comes back but that this UFO will

410
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actually they actually saw this this

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actually played out so that's a big part

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of all this and after they passed the

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tests that's when Travis comes back and

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has this really interesting story to

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tell about what happened to him in those

416
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five days crazy yeah I I'm still struck

417
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by the eyewitness aspect of that of that

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stuff I will say that the one thing that

419
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I had a bit of a hard time with was the

420
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just to jump ahead because it's so

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directly connected apparently they

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tested the guys again like the year that

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this movie came out and they're like and

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then they all passed it was like yeah

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but that's almost twenty years later and

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like seventeen years later I can

427
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convince myself my myself some

428
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pretty much of anything I would think

429
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when you believe a lie for that long it

430
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becomes I do all the time and in this

431
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field of Neurology if you believe strong

432
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enough that these things happen to you

433
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I've spoken to hundreds of people have

434
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claimed alien abductions if they believe

435
00:19:32,649 --> 00:19:29,509
this actually happened to them they can

436
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start to live in that and again my big

437
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thing including the Travis Walton case

438
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and all the people I've interviewed

439
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throughout the years who claim

440
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abductions I was not there when it

441
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happened mm-hmm and that's kind of my

442
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defense it might sound passive but I was

443
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not there in the room when it happened

444
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I cannot say if it happened or not but

445
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there are some compelling cases and

446
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evidence and this is definitely one I

447
00:19:57,879 --> 00:19:55,940
point people to to be like I firmly

448
00:20:01,480 --> 00:19:57,889
believe something happened out there

449
00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:01,490
you know I I do and the story that he

450
00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:03,500
brings forward about what happened to

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him upon this craft while he was missing

452
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for five days is terrifying it's

453
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intriguing it's beautiful it's gross

454
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it's it's everything in between and I

455
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don't know knowing this man and just

456
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being with this case for so long I I

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don't know what to think

458
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and I will say this movie didn't really

459
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didn't really do it for me in terms of

460
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being like this is an accurate account

461
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of what happened to Travis Walton

462
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because it does sway a lot from what

463
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actually happened to him especially with

464
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the abduction scenario well what would

465
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you say is the biggest difference

466
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between the the book and the film so

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when we get to that abduction scene like

468
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you said earlier he's back yes he is

469
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he's having a hard time living amongst

470
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the world then he has a full-on

471
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flashback to when he wakes up in a space

472
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in an alien ship and the scene plays out

473
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and it's you know you heart pounding I

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mean every time I watch it I've seen

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this movie probably like 50 times at

476
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this point man and sure I still there's

477
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parts where I have to look away during

478
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this abduction scene because it is

479
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straight up like body or it's yeah it's

480
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pretty pretty bad even you know 493 V

481
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it's pretty pretty rough to watch so you

482
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know they're putting lasers and needles

483
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through his actual eyeball they're

484
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shoving these these surgical things into

485
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his ears in his mouth and they're you

486
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know it's just it's really gross it's so

487
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archaic and like barbaric what these

488
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aliens are doing to him in reality none

489
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of that happened to Travis Walton

490
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apparently interesting

491
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he claims that they were extremely now

492
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he was scared he was terrified when I

493
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was up on the craft but that they did

494
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not do these horribly painful procedures

495
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to him that as soon as he woke up and

496
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saw these aliens around him trying to

497
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like do things to him he flipped out he

498
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gets off the table he grabs the first

499
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thing he sees on a table and starts like

500
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swinging it at them which you know we

501
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kind of see in the movie but uh but yeah

502
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it was not what the movie sort of played

503
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it out to be and again this is Hollywood

504
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you know I've spoken to the executive

505
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producer Tracy Torme on the film who

506
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said I tried to be as accurate as

507
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possible but sometimes Hollywood just

508
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gets in the way and sure and it's rough

509
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because Travis had their word that they

510
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would make this movie it

511
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exactly how it happened to him and as

512
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time goes on you know in the film

513
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industry like things change more people

514
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,660
get involved we have to make this stand

515
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out we need to make this scarier for the

516
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audience so so to this day you know

517
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Travis he does contest a lot of that

518
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abduction scene but the one thing that

519
00:23:01,840 --> 00:22:59,780
he remains constant on is that what he

520
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felt while he was on that craft this

521
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isolation this like you know sort of

522
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claustrophobic feeling the terror it all

523
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sort of culminates into what the movie

524
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portrayed this really terrifying scene

525
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playing out so yeah the intention and

526
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the feeling was there but what they

527
00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:19,820
actually show on screen is nothing like

528
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what actually happened to him and it's

529
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also kind of as far as like a horror

530
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:25,880
movie goes for me it was a little hard

531
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to be scared by only because I knew

532
00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:32,390
Travis so little by the time that scene

533
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:34,580
happened like I feel like we get kind of

534
00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:36,410
a crash course on him and then he's gone

535
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and I'm okay with the movie being about

536
00:23:42,910 --> 00:23:40,190
Mike but then all of a sudden the movies

537
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:42,920
taken away from Mike when he's really at

538
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:45,530
his like peak most interesting and then

539
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:47,330
instead of like getting any kind of

540
00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:50,810
resolution with him we see him two years

541
00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:52,790
later like a completely changed person

542
00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:56,540
living in the woods a hermit yeah and

543
00:24:01,420 --> 00:23:59,450
like it was just it felt so weird and I

544
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,430
understood I was like oh they've kind of

545
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:04,640
switched places now but I never really

546
00:24:09,850 --> 00:24:07,370
like I don't know it just seemed there

547
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:09,860
was something about it that because I

548
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:12,170
feel like they were like oh we have to

549
00:24:14,830 --> 00:24:13,610
pay attention like we have to have

550
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,840
somebody around the story so we'll give

551
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:17,120
it to Mike and we always have to bring

552
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:19,250
it back to Travis later like I feel like

553
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:21,290
this could have made it better ensemble

554
00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:23,570
piece because I'll be honest when I when

555
00:24:27,940 --> 00:24:25,070
you've always told me the story before I

556
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,950
when I thought about it as being done in

557
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,080
a movie or anything I didn't think of

558
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:32,480
the obvious and most interesting thing

559
00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:34,550
which is what they went with or at least

560
00:24:40,060 --> 00:24:36,620
I guess not that obvious because I

561
00:24:42,370 --> 00:24:40,070
didn't think about it but that you focus

562
00:24:45,210 --> 00:24:42,380
on the rest of those people in this

563
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:45,220
movie like that's an interesting being

564
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,230
witness to an alien abduction or at

565
00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:51,200
least like an alien happening that

566
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:53,720
results in your friend disappearing is

567
00:24:57,490 --> 00:24:55,970
is is pretty interesting like what

568
00:24:59,470 --> 00:24:57,500
you'll have to go through to explain

569
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,480
that what it might do to your family or

570
00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:02,720
you your work or anything right what

571
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,720
effects that it has and I felt like some

572
00:25:08,350 --> 00:25:07,039
of that was being handled in an

573
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:08,360
interesting way but then all that

574
00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:10,250
momentum just kind of went out the door

575
00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:12,700
almost as soon as Travis came back I

576
00:25:19,389 --> 00:25:15,380
agree see structurally this movie is a

577
00:25:20,919 --> 00:25:19,399
mess all over the place item name and

578
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:20,929
that's a lot of the criticism that it

579
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:24,110
got when it came out was what like what

580
00:25:27,629 --> 00:25:24,799
are we watching

581
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:27,639
is this a sci-fi yeah is this like a

582
00:25:33,250 --> 00:25:30,710
biopic is this a horror movie and I

583
00:25:34,930 --> 00:25:33,260
don't even think the producers really

584
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:34,940
knew what they were doing or the

585
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:38,450
director for that hand and and that's

586
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:40,250
kind of okay with me because this is

587
00:25:45,370 --> 00:25:43,580
such a messy topic to begin with alien

588
00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:45,380
abduction some people view it as very

589
00:25:52,389 --> 00:25:49,340
cool and metaphysical and beautiful and

590
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:52,399
other seaters terrifying and for these

591
00:25:59,049 --> 00:25:56,480
men it was like such a pinnacle part of

592
00:26:01,659 --> 00:25:59,059
their lives but not for not for good

593
00:26:04,029 --> 00:26:01,669
like no right no one involved with this

594
00:26:05,769 --> 00:26:04,039
case like looks back at it and there's

595
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:05,779
like I'm so happy we came forward or

596
00:26:11,379 --> 00:26:07,970
that this happened to us it ruined all

597
00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:11,389
of these men's lives except except for

598
00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:13,820
Travis so right that's a very

599
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,500
interesting aspect to all this as well

600
00:26:20,590 --> 00:26:17,840
as the person that it actually happened

601
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,600
to he's doing pretty good I mean he he

602
00:26:26,259 --> 00:26:23,120
does all these UFO lecture circuits um

603
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:26,269
you know he he's sort of a rockstar in

604
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,610
the UFO field this niche community of

605
00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:31,279
people but but when it comes down to it

606
00:26:36,879 --> 00:26:33,350
like I what I find most interesting

607
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:36,889
about all this is that they to this day

608
00:26:41,259 --> 00:26:38,630
every single one of them sticks to this

609
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:41,269
story and they had nothing to gain none

610
00:26:45,129 --> 00:26:43,370
of them made money off of this you know

611
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:45,139
Travis probably made a little bit off of

612
00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:48,110
the movie but at the end of the day they

613
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:50,230
all lost their jobs they've lost

614
00:26:56,169 --> 00:26:52,850
relationships one of the dudes involved

615
00:26:58,779 --> 00:26:56,179
who I believe Henry Thomas played the

616
00:27:01,480 --> 00:26:58,789
character he played this guy became so

617
00:27:03,639 --> 00:27:01,490
obsessed and rude that he still to this

618
00:27:04,810 --> 00:27:03,649
day he goes out to the spot where this

619
00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:04,820
happened

620
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:07,880
praying that they come back because he

621
00:27:14,379 --> 00:27:10,490
just wants the young dude

622
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:14,389
the young dude doesn't that suck I know

623
00:27:20,049 --> 00:27:18,380
my god yeah if it's so sad like you know

624
00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:20,059
just hoping that they'll come back maybe

625
00:27:24,009 --> 00:27:22,070
for him or that they can give him

626
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:24,019
answers on why this happened to all of

627
00:27:29,139 --> 00:27:27,289
them and and this and that we're Travis

628
00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:29,149
the guy had actually happened to sort of

629
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,179
embrace the entire thing and has like

630
00:27:37,659 --> 00:27:35,120
made a life of it like telling his story

631
00:27:39,639 --> 00:27:37,669
and and it's really interesting the

632
00:27:41,379 --> 00:27:39,649
dichotomy of what happened to all these

633
00:27:44,769 --> 00:27:41,389
people after the event and it's all

634
00:27:50,769 --> 00:27:44,779
because they stuck to the story up until

635
00:27:53,379 --> 00:27:50,779
today that's wild man I yeah I know the

636
00:27:55,659 --> 00:27:53,389
one thing that was a tip to me that I I

637
00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:55,669
was gonna try to look everybody up but I

638
00:28:01,360 --> 00:27:57,529
was like oh man Travis is the only one

639
00:28:03,419 --> 00:28:01,370
with a Wikipedia page nobody that was a

640
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:03,429
pig that was my way of figuring it out

641
00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:07,970
yeah but yeah that's I that's that is

642
00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:09,830
definitely fascinating about the story

643
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:11,720
and I will say that this movie because

644
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:14,840
it's so impotent cuz now I even question

645
00:28:18,999 --> 00:28:16,700
because there's these weird action movie

646
00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:19,009
elements to it to when he's like in the

647
00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:21,830
ship like the when he's in the ship and

648
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,500
kind of like fights his way out what did

649
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:26,570
you think of the ship itself

650
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:29,210
it was super unique in my opinion oh

651
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:32,870
yeah no I know I thought aesthetically

652
00:28:35,619 --> 00:28:34,250
there's a lot of great stuff about this

653
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:35,629
movie I thought the area that like the

654
00:28:39,159 --> 00:28:37,610
logging town and stuff just came across

655
00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:39,169
really well and I thought when he was on

656
00:28:46,769 --> 00:28:41,960
the ship what I liked is I didn't fully

657
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:46,779
understand it yeah it's like futuristic

658
00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:49,940
UFO that we sort of envisioned right

659
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:52,580
right and I wasn't seeing it from like

660
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,129
an audience point of view we're like oh

661
00:28:58,629 --> 00:28:57,200
I can see all these other guys it's not

662
00:29:00,850 --> 00:28:58,639
more like I was seeing what he was

663
00:29:03,639 --> 00:29:00,860
seeing which was not the whole picture

664
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:03,649
which I really appreciated and I those

665
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:05,960
scenes were like very disorienting at a

666
00:29:12,129 --> 00:29:10,370
fun way but he I he I feel like he was

667
00:29:14,289 --> 00:29:12,139
like fighting in there and now to learn

668
00:29:16,899 --> 00:29:14,299
that he didn't really have to fight that

669
00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:16,909
much inside of that ship it's so weird

670
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,960
that they added that

671
00:29:21,610 --> 00:29:19,760
and then even would a step further and

672
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,620
at the end have him saying like I don't

673
00:29:25,149 --> 00:29:23,360
think they're coming back I don't think

674
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:25,159
they like me very much kind of liking

675
00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:29,210
this like a kick-ass yeah it was so

676
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:31,460
weird it was this weirdo like when the

677
00:29:36,639 --> 00:29:33,110
did this become an action movie

678
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:36,649
yeah well it was it was so you're right

679
00:29:40,659 --> 00:29:38,690
like totally and structurally it's it's

680
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,669
all over the place but there-there were

681
00:29:46,899 --> 00:29:42,799
I got I think there were some great

682
00:29:49,149 --> 00:29:46,909
moments in the tension between the the

683
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:49,159
witnesses the five guys at the beginning

684
00:29:54,130 --> 00:29:52,370
and in cattle like sir outbreak like I

685
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:54,140
said basically until Travis come back

686
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,730
came back and I know is your friend but

687
00:29:59,620 --> 00:29:57,200
I almost wish for the sake of the movie

688
00:30:02,019 --> 00:29:59,630
that he didn't know not in real life

689
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:02,029
just in the movie just in the movie I'm

690
00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:04,010
very glad that he is a human being was

691
00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:06,649
not taken permanently by aliens but man

692
00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:12,260
if I had been making that movie story a

693
00:30:16,330 --> 00:30:14,630
little bit let's just keep it let's just

694
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,340
keep it about these people who are now

695
00:30:20,649 --> 00:30:18,080
because they watched an alien

696
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:20,659
abductee but they'll never be able to

697
00:30:24,639 --> 00:30:22,820
prove it right like let's put him in the

698
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:24,649
witness protection program for the rest

699
00:30:29,889 --> 00:30:27,710
of us well that's actually a good point

700
00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:29,899
I mean a lot of people also believe that

701
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:32,870
you know they something happened in an

702
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:35,330
altercation with the loggers and Travis

703
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:37,130
Scott you know severely hurt or

704
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:39,140
something or right you know maybe they

705
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,090
got in a fight or they knocked him out

706
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:42,559
in there like oh my god we killed him

707
00:30:47,019 --> 00:30:45,380
and or something or let's go hide him so

708
00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:47,029
they like plan this elaborate scheme

709
00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:49,070
where they're gonna put him in a Shack

710
00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:52,039
or something for five days and then well

711
00:30:55,659 --> 00:30:54,020
let's make up this alien story that like

712
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:55,669
Vic's this happened so that we don't get

713
00:31:00,909 --> 00:30:58,010
blamed for for almost killing this dude

714
00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:00,919
or anything like that so I do have to

715
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:02,870
wonder but at the end of the day he did

716
00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:05,690
come back and he had this story to tell

717
00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:08,659
and it has become possibly the most

718
00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:11,750
famous UFO abduction case of all time

719
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:15,470
and and this dude Travis Walton I swear

720
00:31:20,139 --> 00:31:17,720
to god man like looking at photos and

721
00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:20,149
videos of him from 75 when this happened

722
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,580
and today he does not look like he's

723
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:23,919
aged a day

724
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,730
crazy which is well that leads me to my

725
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,600
next next question for you because

726
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:33,760
I'm sure you've heard plenty of plenty

727
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,950
of theories before being as you said

728
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:37,360
having the story be close to your heart

729
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:38,650
and also be somebody who researches

730
00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:40,360
things like this I'm sure has researched

731
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,400
the story quite a bit and also likes to

732
00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:44,559
go out and speak to speak to the people

733
00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:46,360
because I would say it would be very

734
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:48,760
easy to suggest that may have seen he

735
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:51,190
was really abducted by aliens and it was

736
00:31:58,279 --> 00:31:54,160
not Travis that returned at all have you

737
00:32:02,010 --> 00:31:58,289
heard any very crazy theories like that

738
00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:02,020
or and if so what's the worst one in

739
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:05,080
terms of like him coming back but it's

740
00:32:10,919 --> 00:32:07,809
not the actual Travis or just not at all

741
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:10,929
just in general there could be that has

742
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:13,570
has there ever been people who say like

743
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:16,030
oh that's not actually Travis Walton

744
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,330
that returned or have there been you

745
00:32:24,539 --> 00:32:22,480
know I feel like topics like this could

746
00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:24,549
lend themselves to conspiracy theories

747
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:27,280
so totally yeah I mean I'm basically

748
00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:29,140
wondering if you heard any good ones

749
00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:32,140
what's the skinny so I was at a UFO

750
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:35,740
conference maybe four years ago no and

751
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:38,500
then I'm in the elevator and this woman

752
00:32:42,539 --> 00:32:41,140
gets on and of course I'm on the twelfth

753
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:42,549
floor and we have to get to the lobby so

754
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:44,289
I'm stuck with this woman for twelve

755
00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:49,330
Laura Steve okay so I'd say around floor

756
00:32:53,659 --> 00:32:51,070
nine or whatever she just turned to me

757
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:53,669
and says you were on the ship with me

758
00:33:00,120 --> 00:32:57,370
boy what she's like you were on the ship

759
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:00,130
with me when I was taken she's like I

760
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:02,110
remember you so distinctly you were

761
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:04,330
right next to me the table next to me

762
00:33:10,049 --> 00:33:06,190
when they were examining us you don't

763
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:10,059
remember and I was like no I'm sorry I

764
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:12,100
don't think I'm who you think I am and

765
00:33:18,210 --> 00:33:14,230
she said no I know who you are you don't

766
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:18,220
know who you are oh boy so there are a

767
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:22,390
lot of people in this realm this UFO

768
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:25,809
alien abduction community I guess who do

769
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:28,690
believe that there are alien human

770
00:33:36,029 --> 00:33:32,440
hybrids living among us that they they

771
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:36,039
are taught to act human to to sort of

772
00:33:41,159 --> 00:33:39,250
infiltrate our species to eventually

773
00:33:44,010 --> 00:33:41,169
take over I mean we've seen this in some

774
00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:44,020
movies even the Xbox cover this

775
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:47,920
so you know it's possible I believe it

776
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:50,740
is Travis that is not that was brought

777
00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:52,990
back but what's really interesting is I

778
00:33:59,490 --> 00:33:56,380
spoke to him maybe a month ago and I

779
00:34:01,530 --> 00:33:59,500
something that always bothered me is no

780
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:01,540
one really ever asked the question of

781
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:04,540
him why why do you think they took you

782
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,610
and he sort of recently has started this

783
00:34:14,129 --> 00:34:11,679
new theory that he's telling people is

784
00:34:17,609 --> 00:34:14,139
that he believes they took him to fix

785
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:17,619
him that whatever happened when he got

786
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,260
shot by that beam and you know his

787
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:22,240
friends thought he was dead so did the

788
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:24,460
aliens who did it to him and they

789
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:27,190
brought him on the ship to fix him you

790
00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:28,810
know maybe even revive him bring him

791
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:32,470
back to life and oh man because when he

792
00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:34,090
came back yeah he like you said he had

793
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:36,940
puncture wounds he was dehydrated he was

794
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,310
starving you know yeah a lot of

795
00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:41,200
physiological things happen but at the

796
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:43,270
end of the day after what happened to

797
00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:45,010
him like he should have been dead and if

798
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:48,100
that were so maybe this was a rescue

799
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:51,100
operation of some sort if you really

800
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:53,050
want to go you know down the rabbit hole

801
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:55,600
but that's how he believes and that's

802
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,940
what he's going with till this day so

803
00:35:02,910 --> 00:34:59,440
yeah awesome

804
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:02,920
it's fascinating yeah fascinating so is

805
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:06,670
it true that's that's what I am yeah and

806
00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:09,930
with that I think we can move on to our

807
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:13,660
final segment of this episode which I

808
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call did it scare you so Ryan with this

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I'm just gonna ask you point-blank fire

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on the sky did it scare you it did man

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and I know that it did only for the

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reason that again when I first saw it

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when I was a kid in 93 yes it terrified

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me even though I was into this topic and

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I thought about it every day write all

816
00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:40,030
the books the actual thought of being

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taken by a nonhuman intelligence

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00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:44,770
examined brought back to deal with the

819
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rest of your life

820
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:49,210
terrifies me so if any any of this story

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is true which yes I am still skeptical

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about but I'm willing to believe this

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one more than 99% of the cases of

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it terrifies me it seems like these

825
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aliens have no empathy for the humans

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that they're doing this to they drop

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them back into their lives to deal with

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this forever no matter how traumatic it

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is and and they lack empathy I don't

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give a they get what they need out

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of it whatever that is and and move on

832
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with their you know testing the next ant

833
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,880
or examination patient I don't know so

834
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yes this movie does scare me in terms of

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if it is at all real as a horror movie

836
00:36:36,750 --> 00:36:34,360
not so much but that that abduction

837
00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:36,760
scene still gives me the creeps to this

838
00:36:42,090 --> 00:36:40,870
day yeah things about the human element

839
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of it

840
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:44,710
I thought it least made me uneasy but I

841
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:46,060
would probably say this movie didn't

842
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:47,860
scare me that much with the alien stuff

843
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:50,410
yeah it just and unfortunately lost that

844
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:52,450
the whole reveal kind of lost some bite

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for me only because I was like I already

846
00:37:00,480 --> 00:36:58,750
kind of saw this common actually no when

847
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:00,490
he got the saran wrap put on him or

848
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whatever the that was that was

849
00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:03,970
pretty scary yeah I was pretty scary

850
00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:06,580
saran wrap wrapped around anyone's mouth

851
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:11,140
is terrifying yeah it wasn't clear

852
00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:12,460
either so it looked it looked like

853
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:17,560
conduct like a condom rubber yeah yeah

854
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,710
that scene was just so brutal so yeah

855
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:22,960
that's actually what aliens are doing

856
00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:25,360
that man I want nothing to do with

857
00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:30,340
UFOs or alien abduction time with it I

858
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:33,640
am done with this feeling here first

859
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:35,830
everybody rides Prague done with the

860
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:38,260
apology what are you doing to me I'm

861
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:42,640
sorry buddy I'm sorry that's it for this

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